tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21392130.post6580816727911624519..comments2023-11-26T06:57:37.441-05:00Comments on "The Lid": National Security Adviser Jones: Jews Are Greedy MerchantsAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14337861108761350581noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21392130.post-13959338907445701592010-12-29T04:44:56.460-05:002010-12-29T04:44:56.460-05:00FF -- What am I thinking?! Of course I know why t...FF -- What am I thinking?! Of course I know why the Communists do this. The left has allied itself with Muslims. What weakens the common enemy, viz., western civilization, helps them all. The left thinks they can control the Muslims when it's just a contest between the two but in that they are deluded.Col. B. Bunnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09590364016079745156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21392130.post-17546383262122932772010-12-29T04:13:50.302-05:002010-12-29T04:13:50.302-05:00FF -- I don't get it either. I maintain that ...FF -- I don't get it either. I maintain that any and all nations enjoy sovereignty because of one thing only -- the use or credible threat of military force.<br /><br />If the "Palestinians" want Israel, they should drive the Jews out at the tip of their swords. Failing that, they should shut up . . . and the U.S. and Europe should stop funding their arm waving and hair pulling in any event. <br /><br />China controls Tibet but no leftist anywhere goes into a nut roll over there being no "Peace Process" in play v-a-v the PRC and Tibetans. Only Israel is supposed to engage in this fatuous exercise with ever-shifting objectives and requirements. Israel's some kind of entity in the world never before encountered in the history of man with special requirements for hourly justification.Col. B. Bunnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09590364016079745156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21392130.post-13494911169271932422010-12-25T20:11:13.840-05:002010-12-25T20:11:13.840-05:00Colonel Bunny: Given what the Presbyterians have b...Colonel Bunny: Given what the Presbyterians have been up to lately, I wouldn't blame you one bit!<br /><br />Why the PCUSA is so seemingly fixated on Israel (as a virtual demon!) is something I just cannot understand at all -- especially given the <i>very</i> strong Judeo-Christian (emphasis on Judeo) roots that almost <b>all</b> our Founding Fathers were <i>very</i> well aware of and many wanted to directly incorporate (Hebrew writing), Moses delivering his people to the "new promised land [i.e. America]," the "new Jerusalem" and so on...<br /><br />-- FFFrumiousFalafelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528196232220128933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21392130.post-31881360968442596472010-12-24T05:49:44.092-05:002010-12-24T05:49:44.092-05:00I'm with Micajah. I don't see how one can...I'm with Micajah. I don't see how one can get "greedy" out of that story. Nor is it anti-semitic. The joke is about deftly turning the tables on a Muslim who turns abusive over something the first Jew isn't able to provide. Neither Jew lied to the Muslim or cheated him. The version I heard had the Muslim traveling some distance through the hot desert to reach the restaurant where he's met with the ridiculous tie requirement.<br /><br />Evan Sayet is very witty. He gave a speech at the Heritage Foundation. (The speech is on Youtube, btw.) He said he didn't care for the practice of beginning every political speech with a joke. "I don't begin each comedy routine of mine with a policy statement," he said. <br /><br />I personally do like to tell jokes before serious speeches. I'm a gentile and I'd tell the joke in question to a convention of rabbis if I thought it made a point relative to the business at hand. I've even just told jokes for the heck of it because it's fun if I can get people to laugh. In the unlikely event I would be invited to make a speech on Israel's National Day to a Jewish audience I'd probably choose to tell a joke about greedy Presbyterians.Col. B. Bunnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09590364016079745156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21392130.post-51284473211633304132010-08-04T13:26:11.519-04:002010-08-04T13:26:11.519-04:00Here's a joke for you:
A Baptist, a Catholic ...Here's a joke for you:<br /><br />A Baptist, a Catholic and a Jew walk into a Mosque.........<br /><br />Now that's funny./sHonestConservativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10950928751322096780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21392130.post-35534073891653851742010-08-04T13:21:33.469-04:002010-08-04T13:21:33.469-04:00Amazingly, I have heard this joke before as have o...Amazingly, I have heard this joke before as have others here have. <br /><br />Someone in this administration was in trouble previously for telling the same stupid joke! <br /><br />I am not a Jew, I do not even play one on TV, However if I were a jew, I do not believe I would enjoy this joke. Its biggest sin is that it is not funny. The second sin is that these people are supposed to represent our nation, not do stand up. <br /><br />The man should be fired for incompetence and a memo needs to go out to the administration announcing the appointment of an ethnic joke czar.HonestConservativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10950928751322096780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21392130.post-35450101053695408142010-04-28T20:40:36.751-04:002010-04-28T20:40:36.751-04:00Sorry, one last minor point.
YMedad I have been t...Sorry, one last minor point.<br /><br /><b>YMedad</b> I have been to many comedy clubs and have watched countless stand-up comedians ply their trade. It is my belief that Jones was merely copying a very standard "opening technique" to telling a joke by calling it a "true story." Typically comedians do this to further engage their audiences -- that's their hope at least. Nobody ever <i>really</i> believes that prologue. It's just part of the act.<br /><br />Now you might argue that our National Security Adviser, irrespective of who he is, shouldn't be telling off-color jokes period. I would at least understand that point if that were your argument. However if a person <i>is</i> planning on telling a joke to begin his speech (as many politicians do), then calling it a "true story" really is not something that can be picked out as being "wrong" or "out of place." It's typical of the medium.<br /><br />And again, I do <b>not</b> like Jones, and I like the administration as a whole even <b>less</b>. All I'm saying is, let's fight the big battles and let this one pass.<br /><br />Respectfully,<br />-FFFrumiousFalafelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528196232220128933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21392130.post-63516090450775137462010-04-28T20:25:28.427-04:002010-04-28T20:25:28.427-04:00RememberGushKatik!, Chaya, and Ira, I completely a...<b>RememberGushKatik!</b>, <b>Chaya</b>, and <b>Ira</b>, I completely agree with you all (as is obvious from my post). My basic point is to "keep our powder dry" for the real battle(s) <b>and</b> to not necessarily act in the same "PC" ways that other minority groups <i>would</i> have acted in the <i>gedanken-experiment</i> that <b>Res</b> put forth.<br /><br />Yes <b>Res</b>, you're correct, <i>other</i> minority groups most certainly <i>would</i> have had a fit had they been the object of, or a character in the joke. But <i>we</i> should have slightly higher standards I think. And again, had the joke <i>truly</i> been antisemitic (Holocaust imagery, other truly nasty tropes, etc), then I'd be leading the charge myself!<br /><br />But I think the <i>most</i> that can be said negatively about the joke, as <b>Lisa Graas</b> and <b>Akiva</b> have implied, is that it was<br />(1) somewhat off-color given the setting<br />and<br />(2) somewhat of-color given the speaker (irrespective of the setting)<br /><br />This would be the <i>most</i> I could find wrong with this whole "affair."<br /><br /><b>But when one compares the <i>truly</i> damaging attacks and undermining tactics that have been waged / employed by this administration</b>, for G-d's sake, this joke comes in at the <b>bottom</b> of the list -- and further it undercuts our <b>own</b> arguments against this anti-Israeli administration by focusing on such a relatively trivial matter (in my not-so-humble-opinion).FrumiousFalafelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528196232220128933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21392130.post-6576517346994525842010-04-27T14:00:49.322-04:002010-04-27T14:00:49.322-04:00Ira, if he would have said "a joke", may...Ira, if he would have said "a joke", maybe one thing, but as I pointed out, he claims the story is "true".YMedadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14333122797414935958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21392130.post-48428599646371556712010-04-27T14:00:49.323-04:002010-04-27T14:00:49.323-04:00bs'd
I agree with you, Ira. Jews are known for...bs'd<br />I agree with you, Ira. Jews are known for our great sense of humor & I detest the professional victim class. I am an observant Jewish woman who is conservative (small c) & I also find the joke funny. There is so much real anti Jewish feeling & rhetoric in the world. Let's not fall into the trap of those who have no complaints, but nitpick until they find something.RememberGushKatif!https://www.blogger.com/profile/14298635990678417645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21392130.post-80765317511916196702010-04-27T09:41:36.923-04:002010-04-27T09:41:36.923-04:00I am a Jew. The joke is a VERY funny retelling of...I am a Jew. The joke is a VERY funny retelling of an old joke. It is not anti-Jewish.<br /><br />The recharacterization of the joke places it in a false light. Jones did not say, " there is a restaurant; they can sell you water. "<br /><br />He said this, "There is a restaurant there and they have all the water you'll need."<br /><br />Jones added two wonderful incongruities to the old joke.<br /><br /> An obviously Jewish person doing business in AFGHANISTAN<br /><br /> A Taliban fighter sufficiently uncivil that he launches into a tirade of verbal abuse but is NOT so uncivil that he would cause physical harm to a person he considers his arch enemy.<br /><br />C'mon. Since when did my fellow conservative Jews lose their sense of humor? (Liberals, of course, would not pass up a perceived opportunity to score a political point.)Ira M. Siegelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13533147194177834676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21392130.post-84763385394855933052010-04-27T05:37:45.517-04:002010-04-27T05:37:45.517-04:00Listen, the joke's a good one (though he deliv...Listen, the joke's a good one (though he delivers it poorly) and in and of itself not particularly offensive. Oh, I can interpret it in mean ways if I want.<br /><br />But that's not the point. In this day and age when one certainly couldn't get up and tell a joke about an African American, or a Polish American, or an Irish American, or an Italian American, SUDDENLY it's acceptable to tell a joke about a Jew. <br /><br />And we're not talking about some Hollywood actor making a societal faux pax. We're talking about the U.S. National Security Advisor.<br /><br />And yes, that signals a change in internal discussions about Jews when such things become external.Akivahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13042484533217272945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21392130.post-18929488294331669312010-04-26T23:48:54.414-04:002010-04-26T23:48:54.414-04:00I'm not Jewish but I find this "joke"...I'm not Jewish but I find this "joke" completely unacceptable. I don't think that based on one "joke" it means that one is anti-Semitic, but it certainly does show, at best, incompetence since it is something that plays into the anti-Semitic mindset and lends some level of credibility to anti-Semitic thought. As such, it makes me want to vomit. Seriously.Lisa Graashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13330383394315891646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21392130.post-72295996904505519292010-04-26T23:03:48.218-04:002010-04-26T23:03:48.218-04:00It depends who is telling the joke. James Jones, t...It depends who is telling the joke. James Jones, then it is racist. A Jewish comic, he/she would get a few chuckles.<br /><br />In this case it was in bad taste, by an idiot.<br /><br />Jones should resign immediately!Findalishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02881549378886491540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21392130.post-87014562346977922222010-04-26T21:01:40.610-04:002010-04-26T21:01:40.610-04:00It's a good joke, I've never heard it befo...It's a good joke, I've never heard it before and I'm 55. I might be pissed off if I was a Taliban supporter and he told that joke because the Taliban is the butt of the joke. As my dad used to say "if you're not worth a laugh then you're not worth much".Millie_Woodshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06420575646282819937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21392130.post-61826760857021776852010-04-26T20:34:31.914-04:002010-04-26T20:34:31.914-04:00Anti-Semitic? Deplorable? Racist?
It's just a...Anti-Semitic? Deplorable? Racist?<br /><br />It's just an old joke. Get a sense of proportion.<br /><br />What's offensive is how spiteful and touchy most Jews are about imagined or invented offenses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21392130.post-6767463621833821762010-04-26T19:40:05.726-04:002010-04-26T19:40:05.726-04:00Just substitute the word "banker" for &q...Just substitute the word "banker" for "Jew" and the next thing you know, General Jones of the NSA would actually be fired.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08607172324979900707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21392130.post-4123965313360843012010-04-26T19:32:11.822-04:002010-04-26T19:32:11.822-04:00I think his "joke" is disgusting. Why o...I think his "joke" is disgusting. Why on earth would he choose to say it at that time and place if not to trash Jews and their motives in the Middle East? Totally inappropriate and, yes, anti-Semitic.<br /><br />Thank you for posting about this, Yid With Lid.Josephinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03617496175386782812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21392130.post-70943946562829052312010-04-26T17:30:12.897-04:002010-04-26T17:30:12.897-04:00I think you meant "gaffe", not "guf...I think you meant "gaffe", not "guffaw" yid with lid. James Jones's apology was probably insincere. White Gentile Americans are pissed at being lied into a lost war and having their numbers and culture replaced by those not of or near their kind, simultaneously. Much like Israelis would feel about Palestinians on the latter point. It's complicated bordering on intractable. Ending third world immigration and "affirmative action" should be a Jewish priority, IMO.TPMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08722551003405108457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21392130.post-51361075213264251992010-04-26T16:05:53.369-04:002010-04-26T16:05:53.369-04:00Frumious Felafel is right. There is absolutely no...Frumious Felafel is right. There is absolutely nothing anti-Semitic about this joke. I have told it myself! The butt of the joke is the Taliban guy! Come on, guys. This is really being over-sensitive.TeachESLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12720974412917020750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21392130.post-83915343591244837902010-04-26T15:59:31.077-04:002010-04-26T15:59:31.077-04:00Why am I the only one who questioned the presence ...Why am I the only one who questioned the presence of two Jewish brothers in Afghanistan?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21392130.post-38172974846792594592010-04-26T15:54:12.115-04:002010-04-26T15:54:12.115-04:00As the saying goes, let's try a little thought...As the saying goes, let's try a little thought experiment: same audience, same joke, Rush Limbaugh is the speaker. Think there wouldn't be major differences in reaction, on both sides?<br /><br />The joke isn't particularly amusing, nor especially offensive -- the Jewish content may be chosen for this audience; for a French audience the merchants might have been French. On the other hand, for a Black audience he might have made the merchants Korean which would undoubtedly and deservedly have been seen as a play to racial bias. The critical thing here is that the joke displays extremely poor judgment at best, which is not really what we look for in such positions as Gen. Jones holds.REShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12923043621945581456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21392130.post-42575326594116520352010-04-26T15:43:30.142-04:002010-04-26T15:43:30.142-04:00bs'd
@FrumiousFalafel:
I agree 100% as I said ...bs'd<br />@FrumiousFalafel:<br />I agree 100% as I said above. There are too many "constant victims". Let's not allow ourselves to fall into that category. There is enough real "stuff" to about which to work ourselves into a frenzy. Let's laugh at the jokes. There is too much at stake which is most serious.<br />MMRememberGushKatif!https://www.blogger.com/profile/14298635990678417645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21392130.post-31072270641088264482010-04-26T14:39:29.648-04:002010-04-26T14:39:29.648-04:00I thought the joke was HILARIOUS!
I am a Conserv...I thought the joke was HILARIOUS! <br /><br />I am a Conservative American Jew and I felt not the slightest problem with this joke! Furthermore, I don't particularly like Jones (for all the obvious reasons) but I have to confess that he delivered the joke quite well. Calling it a "true story" is just a <b>standard</b> introduction that <i>all</i> comics use for jokes -- it's meaningless.<br /><br />There is <b>no</b> reason to get our dander up about this. We should keep our powder dry for the important issues not a well-told joke for G-d's sake.<br /><br />Lastly, I happen to be a Jew who <i>is</i> particularly sensitive to off-color Jewish jokes. And again, I found <i>nothing</i> in this joke that was demeaning towards Jews... absolutely nothing. If you think there was a "money-grubbing Jew" in the joke, please read it again more carefully, there was not. If anything, the Jew was patient and polite and the Taliban "warrior" was the "butt of the joke." <br /><br />Fellow Jewish Conservatives, let's all calm down here.FrumiousFalafelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528196232220128933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21392130.post-8189331350334403012010-04-26T12:56:06.572-04:002010-04-26T12:56:06.572-04:00Of course Barak Hussein wouldn't mention any r...Of course Barak Hussein wouldn't mention any racism among his administration! First of all the butt of the joke where <i>dem jooz</i>; second of all BHO has two <i>hofjuden</i> among his boys. Those two would betray their own mothers as long as that gains them acceptance and influence.Freedom's Costhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16427756423033405013noreply@blogger.com