Relax! Take it easy on us Mormons! We have databases of hundreds of millions of people, one slipped through, easy mistake.
You will not find a more Jewish/Israel friendly organization than the Mormons. You should know that already.
Besides, no march will be necessary as we Mormons (in general) are all circumcised.
Keep up the fight...just not against the Mormons please.
Lug...out
Lug is right on one point. Overall the Mormon Church is very friendly to Jewish/Israel friendly.
My problem is with any religion making those kinds of decisions for people...especially dead people who can't defend themselves. It is not just Mr. Wiesenthal IMHO the whole practice is revolting.
In Jewish belief one of the noblest mitzvot you can do is to bury the dead. It's noble for two reasons;
- You do with a pure heart (after all you can't get a reward from the dead).
- The second is that we try to honor the dead and their memory. That is why we try to bury people within one day of their death.
I don't force my religion on others living or dead--others shouldn't force theirs on the Jewish people or me.
Oh I Almost forgot the good news:
Reuters 12/19: Bowing to protests from Jewish groups, The Church of Latter Day Saints said on Tuesday that it had removed Wiesenthal's name from its International Genealogical Index, a database of names of people who be could be baptised after death. A church spokesman said the Nazi hunter's name was taken off the list after receiving a complaint from the Simon Wiesenthal Centre, a Jewish human rights group named in his honour.
Rabbi Marvin Heir, the dean and founder of the group, said, "From their point of view they thought they were doing him a favour by making sure he can get into heaven. For us, it is very offensive. Simon Wiesenthal dedicated his whole life to Jews. I don't think he needs help getting into heaven."
In 1995, after the Wiesenthal Centre learnt that the church was baptising Holocaust victims posthumously, the church agreed to stop the practice and removed 400,000 names from the index. Mormon church spokesman Bruce Olsen said Wiesenthal was off the list. He also said it is policy "that members submit only names of their own ancestors for vicarious baptisms" and that the 1995 agreement was still in force.
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Yid With Lid,
Thank you for your post and your mention.
I certainly understand your feelings and respect your beliefs. The practice of baptism for the dead by no stretch of the imagination means that Mormons feel your ancestors were not good enough to get into heaven regardless of how it appears at face value. I do not want to start a doctrinal discussion...so I wont but needless to say we certainly do not want to dishonor our Jewish brothers and sisters (alive or deceased) in any way. I hope you understand this.
For the record, I am right on three points; Mormon men are generally circumcised at birth, and we have big...databases.
Keep up the good fight!
Lug...out
Well you know what they say, big...computers...big databases
"members submit only names of their own ancestors for vicarious baptisms"
Is this true, or are they posthumously baptising everyone they have records for, as I heard rumored?
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