At one point Giuliani took off his glasses, an indication he was getting ready to rumble,
“[Black on black crime] is the reason for the heavy police presence in the black community. Why don’t you cut it down so so many white police officers don’t have to be in black areas? And eventually, "The white police officers wouldn’t be there if you weren’t killing each other.”
Dyson answered, "This is the defensive mechanism of white supremacy in your mind”
Watch the angry exchange below:
Giuliani: Well, starting with Mayor Koch, Mayor Dinkins, myself, Mayor Bloomberg, we have tried to make the police force in New York City as proportionate as we can. We go out of our way to do that. I think we do a pretty good job, not a perfect job. But the reality.
Todd: You're not on this list. That's a good thing. Right. I was glad to see that we weren't.
Giuliani: The fact is, I find it very disappointing that you are not discussing the fact that 93% of blacks in America are killed by other blacks. We're talking about the exception here.
Todd: Go ahead, Michael.
Giuliani: Let me finish. We are talking about the significant exception, 93% of blacks are killed by other blacks. I would like to see the attention paid to that that you are paying to this and the solutions so to that.
Dyson: Can I say this? First of all, most black people who commit crimes against black people go to jail. They are not sworn by the police department as a agent of the state to uphold the law. In both cases, that's a false equivalency that the Mayor has drawn which has exacerbated which is imbedded in American culture. Black people who kill black people go to jail.
Giuliani: It's hardly --
Dyson: If a jury can indict --
Giuliani: It's hardly insignificant.
Todd: It's the trust issue. This is a trust issue.
Giuliani: It's hardly insignificant.
Dyson: I didn't say it was insignificant disproportionate.
Giuliani: It's the reason for the heavy police presence in the black community.
Dyson: Not at all.
Giuliani: 93%.
Dyson: Not at all. The police presence cannot make a distinction between those who are criminals and --
Giuliani: What about the poor black child killed by another black child? Why aren't you protesting?
Dyson: I do protest. They go to jail. Why don't you talk about the way in which white policemen are undercut the abilities of Americans to live?
Giuliani: Why don't you cut it down so many white police officers don't have to be in black areas?
Dyson: They don't have to be. It's the matter of the affect of the state occupying the forces.
Giuliani: How about 70 do 75% of the crime in my city --
Dyson: How about your attitude that reinforces
Todd: This is a debate that --
Giuliani: How about you reduce crime?
Dyson: When I became Mayor, I will do that.
Todd: Let's not make this.
Giuliani: The white police officers wouldn't be there if you weren't killing each other.
Dyson: The second --
Todd: Michael -- I’m going to stop it there. Michael Eric Dyson, Mayor Guiliani, as you can see, this has a lot of tension to it, a lot of heated debate. Thank you both for being here.
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Dyson's a hack. Why is anyone paying attention to him?
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