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Wednesday, November 12, 2014

BREAKING: Third Gruber Video About Obamacare Fooling American Voters

"We just tax insurance companies they pass on higher prices that offsets the tax break we get into being the same thing. It's a very clever basic exploitation of the of the of the lack of economic understand of the American voter." Jonathan Gruber November 5, 2012
At least this time Jonathan Gruber didn't call American voters stupid. The latest video is from a November 5, 2012 speech at Rhode Island University.

After a first video of Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber, talking about the healthcare bill being written vague to fool stupid American Voters. Jonathan Gruber told Ronan Farrow, "I was speaking off the cuff and I spoke inappropriately and I regret having made those comments."

But it wasn't the only time Gruber talked about fooling Americans. Tuesday evening Megyn Kelly broadcast a second video. This time Professor Gruber was talking about how the Cadillac Tax was imposed on the insurance companies to be passed along to voters, "Americans are too stupid to understand to understand the difference"

Video number three is from a speech at the University of Rhode Island in November 2012, and at this point in the speech Jonathan Gruber is talking about the Cadillac tax again. This time he talks about then Senator, now Secretary of State John Kerry helping him get the tax through so they take advantage of the economically unsophisticated American voter
I have been making this speech for twelve years and people would come up to me ans day, but wait a second you're going to tax my heath insurance? And I'd say no, no, no!  We're going to tax subsidies on your health insurance.  And they'd go you're going to tax my heath insurance? And you just can't get through its politically impossible. So despite the fact we thought we might get this as part of the law it was going to be dead. 
Until a second Massachusetts hero arose, John Kerry. John Kerry said no-no we're not going to tax your heath insurance, we're going to tax those evil insurance companies. We're going to impose a tax that if they sell health insurance that's too expensive we're going to tax them. And conveniently the tax rate will happen to be the marginal tax rate on the income tax code. So basically it's the same thing we just tax insurance companies they pass on higher prices that offsets the tax break we get into being the same thing. It's a very clever basic exploitation of the of the of the lack of economic understanding of the American voter.

46 comments:

Jeff Dunetz said...

I'm sure there is a second clause where we foot the bill for China's CO2 reduction.

Jeff Dunetz said...

There's no "a" in clever.

Jeff Dunetz said...

Obama Admin slithers ... they are all snakes.

Jeff Dunetz said...

Please keep them coming
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That hole is getting DEEPER!

Jeff Dunetz said...

When Gruber talks about the "American voter" I hope people understand he means the average "Liberal/Democrate Voter". Most of us more conservative voters are not fooled. We don't need to understand economic theory, just basic math.

Jeff Dunetz said...

The key of the Republicans is to keep African Americans from getting universal health care. The issue is Republican Conservative Whites don't want African Americans to have health insurance.

Jeff Dunetz said...

Yeah, except that pause only exists when you look at a cherry picked data set. When you include arctic surface and ocean subsurface the temperatures just keep going up world wide:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/has-global-warming-paused/

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/345/6199/860.summary?rss=1

Jeff Dunetz said...

"Antarctic Sea Ice is at record levels and the Arctic ice cap has seen record growth. "


And? Welcome to climate *change*. Sometimes things change in strange ways, but they keep changing.

Jeff Dunetz said...

"Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is not a pollutant "


So you don't consider sewage a pollutant, because afterall it comes from your body...


This is an idiotic line of argument on your part. Nobody is saying CO2 is inherently bad. They are saying too much CO2 is bad. Look at Venus and all the plant life there if you insist on this idiocy.


P.S. There's no plant on venus despite the large amount of CO2 (96%).

Jeff Dunetz said...

But wait!!! Until it didn't work, the global warming folks were saying the Ice caps would melt away. That didn't change until some one looked out the freaking window and saw the models were wrong

Jeff Dunetz said...

"There is not ONE climate computer model that has accurately connected CO2 to climate change. In fact CO2 is at its highest levels in 13,000 years and the earth hasn't warmed in almost 18 years. "


since the earth has warmed over the last 18 years this is refuted.

Jeff Dunetz said...

But when CO2 was hundreds of times higher...we didn't all die

Jeff Dunetz said...

"Even with the relatively high levels there is very little CO2 in the atmosphere. "

Again this is incredibly pedantic. A tiny bit of arsenic can kill you, and I doubt you'd say "well this steak is only .04% poison so it must be safe!"

Jeff Dunetz said...

"The climate models pushed by the global warming enthusiasts haven't been right."


Not all the possible outcomes have occurred, yeah, duh that's what makes them possibilities rather than certainties. If you speed you may get a ticket, but if you speed and don't it doesn't mean it couldn't happen, just that there was a chance and you got lucky. But if you speed everyday...well sooner or later it will catch up with you.


That said the models have predicted the temperature rises you pretend don't exist fairly well despite how complicated the climate system is.

Jeff Dunetz said...

Bad analogy. The models gave a date when it would happen

Jeff Dunetz said...

"You are more likely to see the tooth fairy or a unicorn than a 97% consensus of scientists believing that there is man-made global warming."

Yeah except multiple peer review papers by independent authors have found the 97% value to hold:

http://www.pnas.org/content/107/27/12107.abstract

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/306/5702/1686.full

http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/article

Jeff Dunetz said...

I'd go on but I think debunking the first 7 says all we need to know about the remaining 5. Thank you for giving the scientific community a chance to respond to your 12 "facts."

Jeff Dunetz said...

Same idea with corporate taxes. Corporations do not pay taxes, their customers do in the way of added cost to their purchase . Shocking to say the least.....the blank vacant stares from Waco libs when you tell them this

Jeff Dunetz said...

There's more to the Planet Venus than just CO2.

"The atmosphere of Venus is made up mainly of carbon dioxide, and
thick clouds of sulfuric acid completely cover the planet. The atmosphere traps the small amount of energy from the sun that does reach the surface along with the heat the planet itself releases. This greenhouse effect has made the surface and lower atmosphere of Venus one of the hottest places in the solar system! If you were on the surface of the planet, the air above you would be about 90 times heavier than the Earth's atmosphere. This is like what a submarine experiences at 3000 ft below the surface of the Earth's ocean. The atmosphere is composed mainly of carbon dioxide (96%), 3.5% nitrogen, and less than 1% is made up of carbon monoxide, argon, sulfur dioxide, and water vapor."
Source: windows2universe.org/venus

Jeff Dunetz said...

Why?

Jeff Dunetz said...

Why do I not find it surprising that Swift-Boat loser Kerry was involved in the fraud.

Jeff Dunetz said...

see also minimum wage hike.

Jeff Dunetz said...

Nice try with the race card!
However, back here in reality, universal health care has been a disaster in every country that has imposed it.
Health care is not a right, it is a service provided by an individual or a company. You are no more entitled to health care than you are a free meal from a resturaunt.

Jeff Dunetz said...

That makes no sense. If black people have their own health insurance, the taxpayer (black and white) will not have to assume this burden. You are letting your racism overcome logic.

Jeff Dunetz said...

You'd better have something to back that assertion up with. . .because it sounds like your spouting racist comments.

Jeff Dunetz said...

Not even that! We only had to understand this regime has been corrupt from the get go.

Jeff Dunetz said...

Gruber is a GOP mole. He is the most powerful refutation of the left since Venona proved Commie infiltration was, indeed, commonplace throughout the government.

Jeff Dunetz said...

Whether you like it or not, Dr Gruber is spot on about the ignorance of most voters when the discussion is about Economics. That of course still leaves many other true believers as stupid.

Jeff Dunetz said...

True but, does excuse taking advantage of the ignorance?

Jeff Dunetz said...

Wrong..even the IPCC admits there has been a pause, some say it's longer.

Jeff Dunetz said...

So you didn't read all the things wrong with the 97% study I linked to. Comment on what I wrote or go away

Jeff Dunetz said...

Wrong...check the last IPCC report

Jeff Dunetz said...

Unfortunately there are more stupid voters than otherwise. How else can one account for the election of Barrack Obama?

Jeff Dunetz said...

No, they looked out the window and saw that it hadn't happened yet. Unless you are claiming omniscience that doesn't mean it won't happen.

Jeff Dunetz said...

I posted several sources all saying the same thing.

Occam's razor- either all these scientists are lying to you or the oil companies are. Gee, which of those actually has motive?

Jeff Dunetz said...

Or you could read the sources i linked...

Jeff Dunetz said...

Of course there is, just as there's a lot more to botany than "plants like CO2!"

Jeff Dunetz said...

Admitted that if you look at surface temperatures excluding the arctic there's been no warming? Well, yeah, that's the same thing as the data you showed. But as before that's not the whole picture.

Jeff Dunetz said...

Al Gore saying it's possible for the ice to be gone by 2013 =/= the computer models predicting it will happen.

Jeff Dunetz said...

Whew. I am not stupid. I just lack basic understanding.

I feel so much better now.

Jeff Dunetz said...

I thought horse's butts only produced farts but in your case they're words ... stupid words, but words nonetheless. In the future, please try and refrain from farting in public.

Jeff Dunetz said...

Wow, you make some of the most idiotic comparisons I've ever seen. Obviously a troll

Jeff Dunetz said...

Yep, no doubt you are a troll. You can tell by your talking points
"Peer review papers" is one of them. Peer review papers on pharmaceuticals supposedly guarantees safe medicine. We see how often that doesn't work out

Jeff Dunetz said...

Oil companies. Another bullet talking point for alarmist. Next will be Koch brothers.

Jeff Dunetz said...

Cherry picked. Another talking point. Perhaps you didn't get the memo about rising temperatures. NASA is now running out of excuses for data tampering. Expect the new congress to blow that scam wide open. Just like Obama's phony deal with the Chinese that cuts our co2 output by 26% to 28% near term, China gets to increase output by as much as they want until 2030. Some deal huh?

Jeff Dunetz said...

Scientist Paul Erlichman in the early 1970's was on the Johnny Carson show promoting the Global Freezing scare. He also said that by the year 2000 the population of the earth would be shoulder to shoulder. Like Gore, I'm sure he made a lot of money traveling around scaring people.